**Iowa vs. Penn State Basketball Thread - 1/31/22 - 6:00pm - BTN**

[Thomas Wolsey]

I’m not trying to be in state tuition guy but could some of it be that?

$2-5 million dollars?

 

[Shpadoinkle]

Outside of Bader most of the board could see this team was a bubble team at best. They've racked up a bunch of wins against garbage opponents and it doesn't look like Fran is going to make the appropriate adjustments to not play the shittiest of the shitty players. I don't think this qualifies as a "fade" which has mostly been bullshit anyway but it is his worst coaching job.

This has to be a tough team to coach. The only consistent (ly good) guy has been Keegan. On a given night, you have no idea what you're going to get out of Key, Kris, Patty, Fil, A-aron, or Perkins. Connor and bohannon have been horrible all year. Makes things even tougher when Keegan keeps getting into early foul trouble.

I'd like bohannon to become a limited minutes shooter off the bench and a guy that gets put in to seal the game when Iowa is ahead in the waning minutes. But I also appreciate the spot Fran is in - he's not going to let Jordan go out that way after six years and asking him to come back. So I guess we just have to live with that.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

$2-5 million dollars?

I don’t know what all expenses get counted.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Recruiting expenses for 2019:

Indiana $739,722
Illinois $703,536
Ohio State $519,527
Nebrantska $450,328
Minnesota $431,427
Penn State $430,506
Rutgers $362,775
Michigan State $276,103
Michigan $258,458
Iowa $235,031
Purdue $234,919
Maryland $199,257
Wisconsin $86,770
NW no disclosure

 

[Fletch]

It seems like a pretty strong correlation to me; Purdue and Northwestern being the only obvious outliers.

Edit: and Iowa

Maryland?

 

[Hawk&Balls]

This has to be a tough team to coach. The only consistent (ly good) guy has been Keegan. On a given night, you have no idea what you're going to get out of Key, Kris, Patty, Fil, A-aron, or Perkins. Connor and bohannon have been horrible all year. Makes things even tougher when Keegan keeps getting into early foul trouble.

I'd like bohannon to become a limited minutes shooter off the bench and a guy that gets put in to seal the game when Iowa is ahead in the waning minutes. But I also appreciate the spot Fran is in - he's not going to let Jordan go out that way after six years and asking him to come back. So I guess we just have to live with that.

I dont want that at all.

 

[Shpadoinkle]

I dont want that at all.

Why? Who else would you want at the line?

 

[Skinny Skier]

I would add Iowa as an outlier as well, as they consistently finish in the middle than near the bottom.

Still, Iowa being outspent by Northwestern and Nebrantska is just embarrassing.

Edit: Beat by the edit.

Not disagreeing but Hoiberg makes $1.25m more than Fran which accounts for the difference and Northwestern could be the tuition costs.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Recruiting expenses for 2019:

Indiana $739,722
Illinois $703,536
Ohio State $519,527
Nebrantska $450,328
Minnesota $431,427
Penn State $430,506
Rutgers $362,775
Michigan State $276,103
Michigan $258,458
Iowa $235,031
Purdue $234,919
Maryland $199,257
Wisconsin $86,770
NW no disclosure

the single biggest issue is the recruiting expenses that don’t show up in that list.

 

[Skinny Skier]

Recruiting expenses for 2019:

Indiana $739,722
Illinois $703,536
Ohio State $519,527
Nebrantska $450,328
Minnesota $431,427
Penn State $430,506
Rutgers $362,775
Michigan State $276,103
Michigan $258,458
Iowa $235,031
Purdue $234,919
Maryland $199,257
Wisconsin $86,770
NW no disclosure

Fran shouldn’t get reimbursed for driving home from Carver to recruit. Win-win.

 

[B19Rob]

Recruiting expenses for 2019:

Indiana $739,722
Illinois $703,536
Ohio State $519,527
Nebrantska $450,328
Minnesota $431,427
Penn State $430,506
Rutgers $362,775
Michigan State $276,103
Michigan $258,458
Iowa $235,031
Purdue $234,919
Maryland $199,257
Wisconsin $86,770
NW no disclosure

Lol @ Indiana for somehow spending that much recruiting three in-state kids and one from NJ in the 2020 class.

 

[Floyd R]

If fans want to win more, they will need to hire a once in a lifetime coach like Lute or a coach who isn’t afraid to roll in the mud when it comes to recruiting. Ames went with option 2 ever since Johnny Orr and it has turned out alright for them. Fran refuses to do so and still hasn’t reached a S16 in his entire HC career.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Lol @ Indiana for somehow spending that much recruiting three in-state kids and one from NJ in the 2020 class.

again, people don’t seem to get how this works.

 

[Hawkstrat]

If there's anyone that knows the ins and out of a recruiting budget, it's the guy that defended Cougil's in-state tuition.

 

[MikeyJoe]

“Yeah well with all the money they make you’d think they’d win more”
- at an American Legion bar near you

I for one will not sit idly by while this piece of shit @AZmess disrespects veterans.

 

[Fletch]

It seems like a pretty strong correlation to me; Purdue and Northwestern being the only obvious outliers.

Edit: and Iowa

Indiana is also underperforming.

 

[Brad Wesley]

Connor hitting threes last night is not going to help for the remainder of the season. He’s the 5th grader that hits his first long shot then shoots another nine, wild ass, deep shots throughout the game. Additionally, Connor’s good shooting night will only embolden Fran’s insistence on playing him.

I don’t understand why Fran doesn’t play Josh and/or Mulvey more when opponents are intent on slowing the game down/primarily playing half court.

Fran should start playing for next year now. No more JBo, no more Connor.

 

[Grandma]

Before the season started we all agreed that this might be a bubble team with some luck. Common wisdom was that it would be tough to lose two guys early to the NBA and keep up the standard.

Currently, we might be a bubble team with some luck and every dipshit on the board is freaking out about it.

This team sucks to watch, but what the fuck did we expect?

 

[Hawkstrat]

I expect a coach to not start his son over a player that is clearly better.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I expect a coach to not start his son over a player that is clearly better.

weren’t we complaining last year that there was too little talent on the second team?

 

[26.2]

Before the season started we all agreed that this might be a bubble team with some luck. Common wisdom was that it would be tough to lose two guys early to the NBA and keep up the standard.

Currently, we might be a bubble team with some luck and every dipshit on the board is freaking out about it.

This team sucks to watch, but what the fuck did we expect?

All true. I had low expectations, and it has been a joy to watch Keegan have one of the best seasons in Iowa player history. It will be a pleasant surprise if they make the NCAA tourney, which is what I thought at the outset.

 

[Geese]

weren’t we complaining last year that there was too little talent on the second team?

Were we?

 

[Shawneemicks]

NS

 

[CleteyColgate]

I expect a coach to not start his son over a player that is clearly better.

Define "clearly"

 

[Hawkstrat]

If the complaint is the bench isn't talented enough, the solution is to ride the starters and cut down the rotation. The solution is not to make your starting 5 worse. Holy fuckity fuck.

The preseason expectation thing is a little off as well. It makes sense to expect a program like Iowa to not have the horses to make the tournament after losing Garza and the rest. But Iowa does have the talent to make the tournament, they have a first rounder and his clone, fucking around with bohannon taking the final shot and Pat starting is inexcusable.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Define "clearly"

Definition of CLEARLY

in a clear manner; it is clear… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Lee Beevers]

Define "clearly"

I clearly have had sexual relations with several female members of your family.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Why? Who else would you want at the line?

someone else on the team that can hit FTs

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Btw we are going to make the tournament.

 

[Shawneemicks]

Lol

 

[Hawkstrat]

*a tournament

 

[nolookpass]

tough break for Connor but if he is out for awhile, it may be a net positive. Force Fran to play the honky from Waukee

 

[Saul Berkley]

Ulis is shooting 32% from inside the arc. His mid range game was awful last night.

22.6% on 31 shots in I am a giant douche games.

bohannon 26.7% including 25% from 3 in conference play.
Patrick 39%
Connor 24% after his career shooting night last night

this team doesn’t have shooters and it SUCKS

Dasonte Bowen is going to get a lot of playing time next year.

 

[Debit One]

This team sucks to watch, but what the fuck did we expect?

I was told that this team was going to be more fun to watch than last year's team.

It isn't.

 

[WestMifflin]

Btw we are going to make the tournament.

Yes, they're a tournament team. This happens every year, and no one ever remembers how shitty the bubble is. Just don't lose anymore games to shitty teams and win the games you are supposed to win and that's it.

Beating the shit out of all the crappy teams NC really will help their NET/kenpom. Look at this pile of bubble shit: Florida, Creighton, Wyoming, Oregon, Mississppi State, SMU.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Btw we are going to make the tournament.

Big ten

 

[Talkin' Goat]

Indiana $12,855,019.00
Michigan State $10,975,215.00
Illinois $10,404,451.00
Wisconsin $9,564,602.00
Ohio State $9,293,589.00
Michigan $8,800,186.00
Northwestern $8,549,357.00
Rutgers $8,168,723.00
Purdue $8,099,562.00
Minnesota $7,997,511.00
Nebrantska $7,448,108.00
Maryland $7,442,558.00
Iowa $7,215,672.00
Penn State $5,900,115.00

Wonder if salary/pay owed to former coaches comes thru in here. Could explain some of the differences.

 

[6deuce]

The good news obviously is Fran's record in the BTT

 

[Stu Beagle]

Before the season started we all agreed that this might be a bubble team with some luck. Common wisdom was that it would be tough to lose two guys early to the NBA and keep up the standard.

Currently, we might be a bubble team with some luck and every dipshit on the board is freaking out about it.

This team sucks to watch, but what the fuck did we expect?

I expected them to beat shitty teams like penn st and butgers. Shit there is still a ton of experience and upper classmen on this team

 

[Billy Butters]

Yes, they're a tournament team. This happens every year, and no one ever remembers how shitty the bubble is. Just don't lose anymore games to shitty teams and win the games you are supposed to win and that's it.

Beating the shit out of all the crappy teams NC really will help their NET/kenpom. Look at this pile of bubble shit: Florida, Creighton, Wyoming, Oregon, Mississppi State, SMU.

I agree with your premise around the bubble but what are the games we are supposed to win? I would argue the Nebrantska games, Minnesota, and Northwestern are the only games. Maybe also Maryland on the road but that's a stretch and I dont think you can include Michigan with Dickinson back. If we go 19-12 with Indiana at home as our best win I don't think we're in.

 

[Kamala]

Yes, they're a tournament team. This happens every year, and no one ever remembers how shitty the bubble is. Just don't lose anymore games to shitty teams and win the games you are supposed to win and that's it.

Beating the shit out of all the crappy teams NC really will help their NET/kenpom. Look at this pile of bubble shit: Florida, Creighton, Wyoming, Oregon, Mississppi State, SMU.

That’s a pretty good strategy. Hope Fran knows about it.

 

[Shawneemicks]

I expected them to beat shitty teams like penn st and butgers. Shit there is still a ton of experience and upper classmen on this team

Why? If there’s one thing you can count on it is losing to those kinds of teams.

 

[Shawneemicks]

That’s a pretty good strategy. Hope Fran knows about it.

I’m *not sure* he does

 

[Shpadoinkle]

someone else on the team that can hit FTs

Oh. I thought you were serious for a second.

 

[Kamala]

I’m *not sure* he does

This reply actually makes sense. So no ‘bow.

 

[Shawneemicks]

This reply actually makes sense. So no ‘bow.

Fuck you then.

 

[Shpadoinkle]

They absolutely will have to steal a game or two from an upper half team to get in. Their resume is not good and last night and the loss to Rutgers has put them behind the 8-ball.

 

[WestMifflin]

They absolutely will have to steal a game or two from an upper half team to get in. Their resume is not good and last night and the loss to Rutgers has put them behind the 8-ball.

They're a 7 in Bracket Matrix right now bordering on 8. That's not really on the bubble. They may or not be good, but really only 15-20 teams in college basketball are really good. Iowa's predictive metrics will keep them in, barring a completely collapse.

 

[KitKatApples]

Lol they're not getting a tourney bid, but the last time they made the NIT there were no old folks in the close seats and Carver was fuckin rockin. So I am kinda looking forward to that

 

[Lee Beevers]

Lol they're not getting a tourney bid, but the last time they made the NIT there were no old folks in the close seats and Carver was fuckin rockin. So I am kinda looking forward to that

We’re you listening to dudes story, Donny?