Discussion in 'Hawkeye Lounge' started by Santa Anna's Leg, Jan 10, 2017.
Sorry if posted. I tried searching the kid's name, but obviously a common word.
I think we've discussed as it's been all over the news here but no worries Sal.
It's a rough article. But happy I read it.
This is part of why this guy is doing what he is doing. Interesting stuff.
Reid Forgrave is on the radio here a lot and is or was a college hoops writer. He did a good job with the article.
Hope the family can find some peace.
He's one of the main college basketball writers for FoxSports.com and on tv occasionally. He was at the Register for 5 or so years before he jumped to Fox. He's very good.
kid was tortured
I must be under a rock.
Did the autopsy results ever come back from the foundation? I hope it was truly CTE instead of some sort of treatable depression.
if I recall the most recent update on the news, it was the worst they've seen
Terrible story. Shitty father.
Thanks for posting, Sal.
I hadn't heard anything about this either. Hell of a read.
If you watch the first play in the video attached to the story, the kid is launching himself head first into a pile for no reason at all.
It didn't happen that long ago, but it seems that we've come a long way in a short time. As more of the dads/coaches like this idiot are phased out, things should improve very quickly.
The dad and coaches are 100% to blame in this.
Meat-head jocks creating human battering rams to get their 50 year old asses some glory.
I had a business relationship w/ Myles Sr. I never knew he was a coach (I did learn he played for Drake), and he seemed like an aw shucks hard working ol' country boy. I liked him. I didn't know all this had happened to him until after he had changed positions ending our business together. Seems like this came out last Spring or so. I don't think he's a monster. He's a throwback for sure, but a lot of us were raised this way. This boy is an extreme case, to be sure. Terrible story.
I'm with @StinkyMcFadden on this.
My grandpa smoked when he was in the army, and then for years after that. He eventually quit when he started having grandkids. When all of the tobacco lawsuits and surgeon general's warnings started coming out, he would always scoff at them. The way he put it was that he didn't have the official medical science, but it's not like he was ever under the delusion that smoking wasn't bad for his health.
Same thing here. We know a lot more about stuff like concussions and CTE than we did when we were growing up. But did anyone ever think that launching your head violently into something was good for you?
I'm not making an attempt to "defend" Myles, just making the obvious point, I guess, that things are sometimes more nuanced than one picks up from a mag article. I agree things are much better now, but I still marvel at the frequency of back 7 defenders flying head first into tackles in CFB and NFL. It happens every fucking drive.
I have a friend with a kid who also has the ability to play through a lot of pain and when hurt, wasn't always forthcoming about his injury.
Also did not help that one of the hits in question was from Valley's quarterback, Rocky whatshisname. That kid was to be treated as if he was in a bubble and not hit in practice, but apparently the reverse was not true.
This is how a lot of Iowa (I'm sure places like Texas are 10x worse) still coaches football. It's fucking stupid.
Indianolas coach is a former player and coach at Ankeny so it wouldn't surprise me if he was an extreme meathead.
That's a meat head name if I've ever heard one.
Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree......
Yes, you read a few paragraphs and feel qualified to completely judge a man's entire life as a father.
The article also shows this.
His father realized with a flash: Zac wants the police to shoot him. I can't let this happen. He sprinted down the wooden pier. “Zac!” he shouted.
If he shoots me, he thought, he shoots me.
“Nope, I'm coming. Put your gun down.”
Zac laid the gun down, then disappeared inside the hut.
Seconds later his father reached the door. Inside, he saw a sad, sick look on his son's face. His vibrant boy was gone. Zac looked worn-out. Beaten.
“Dad, I'm in trouble,” Zac said quietly.
Myles Easter Sr. spoke gently to his son. “I don't know what's going on, but we'll get this figured out. But we gotta get through this part right now. We're in deep shit. We can't make it any worse.”
The father was operating on a false paradigm from a different time, that is, all these highly paid pampered pros really had other stronger issues that were driving their suicides, that these concussions were being overblown. It's how he grew up. It's not like they didn't give him a special helmet or forced him to play football. The boy was obsessed and his his symptoms. I doubt the father ever thought his son could get that bad from mere high school, absent even college, let alone the pros.
From my point of view you have paradigms that are vastly worse and have vastly greater eternal consequences, but I'm not calling you a crap father. Your not intentionally trying to hurt anybody, and neither was this father.
I'll show you some real crap fathers - fathers who don't love their sons, get in drunken binges and mercilessly beat their sons, and his son's mother, or abandon their families leaving them in pure desperation, etc.
The story is immensely sad, but it's also about more than CTE. But talking about that may make HaLo blow a fuse.
If you read the article it is clear that they too were jealous of the wealth in Ankeny.
They should have moved to Georgia, that s*** hole where a dollar goes much further
The story IS more about CTE than the shitty father, but the shitty father was a shitty father.
The guy denies CTE and passes it off as a hoax.
His kid is in AA so Dad of the Year buys a six pack to share with him.
His kid is at home so Pops leaves a rifle in his truck, giving his suicidal son full access (and this was AFTER the incident above).
That's shitty parenting.
It seems to me this man had an intense love for his son. Yes, there were some misguided decisions.
You also have also made significant mistakes as a parent. It doesn't mean you're a failure as a parent.
James 2:13 - For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment. (NASB)
I have no doubt that the shitty father had intense love for his son.
I'll leave you to your judgment, O great father.
There's a reason I'm an Elder.
As a point of order, and this is not a commentary on this particular situation, you can love your children and still do a shitty job raising them. They are not mutually exclusive.
Yes, I believe that goes without saying. As does the fact if a parent does not love their child then they are not going to do a good job. My point was merely eliminating that aspect.
Reid on kxno now
So so so sad.
And now dad's an alcoholic because he's too tough to need counseling. You would think this would be a wake up call that mental issues and brain damage aren't just a "hoax" and a mask for other problems. His son tried to self medicate and now dad is going down the same road.
I agree with @MikeyJoe and @StinkyMcFadden , but even if you give him the benefit of the doubt this dad made horrible horrible decisions. Son abuses everything he can find and threatens to shoot himself, so two months later the shotgun is still in the truck and he's splitting a six pack with Dad. Dad's desire for things to "be like they used to" doesn't trump the kid's well being.
Not to be too morbid, but by death or divorce I wouldn't put the odds of this marriage surviving too high. I hope I am wrong, but it'd be hard not to blame yourself/spouse in this situation.
There's an issue of intentions, agreed. But just because your intentions are good doesn't make you a good father. I know guys who parent this way, and they love their kids more than anything in the world, care about being a good dad more than the world, but push their kids in very destructive directions based on their warped expectations of their kid.
Of course, this isn't exclusive to meathead dads. At its core it's about parents who want to raise their kid in their own image instead of allowing them to craft high expectations for themselves based on who they are and what they love.
Are there worse kinds of parents? Of course. But you can be a horrible dad and still care deeply about being a good parent. Not mutually exclusive.
^ doesn't listen anymore, much less call^
Good to take some lessons away given a detached perspective, but having a little empathy for the father being in a position he wasn't equipped to deal with is probably in order.
Every father with a son in AA is equiped to know better than to buy beer to share with him, just because of the good ol' days. Every father with a son that threatened suicide via shooting himself is equipped with the knowledge that making firearms and ammo readily available to him is a horrible idea.
The man certainly didn't "deserve" to have his son die but he's clearly a shitty father.
I feel for him but a spade is a spade.
Please please please say demonic possession.
he's lucky Jr didn't off himself sitting under a tree waiting for deer
explain that to the wife
true. was channel surfing, heard Reids voice on kxno and stopped. Hes a good listen.
obviously the Dad is a mess. I watched my Mom bury my sister, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
With your staccato repetition I'm more inclined to suspect it for you.
I'm guessing by the time they got the beers after hunting it was clear that Zach had much bigger issues.
Secretly I'm sure he knew this would probably be one of the last times they ever had a day like this together...and selfishly enjoyed a normal day as father an sons.
We had a black lab that dug himself out of the yard about 8-9 years ago. Big old slobbery baby. Someone found him and saved him from getting run over and put him up in a private kennel for the night where they found his chip. By the time the guy dropped Calloway off at the house I'd already reinforced the whole front fence on both sides of the house with metal hog gate to make sure he'd never get out again like that. The kids played with the dog in the house and I paid the man for all his help. We let him back out into the yard and the first thing he did was run back to where he dug out.
I knew at that point it was only a matter of time. I never said it out loud. But I knew that it was inevitable he'd find a way out of the yard and when he did he probably wouldn't be as lucky the next time. It was about 2 months later he knocked over some boards in the garage and they bumped the door opener just enough to open one side 12".
So I'm sure after the first time at the lake his dad knew it was only a matter of time. Sadly.
We always want to lie to ourselves...but we know.
I pray for all of them...and all the others going through that type of thing. God Bless them all.