**Official Iowa @ Ohio State Game Thread Saturday 1:30 PM** FOX

[KitKatApples]

PS I like @Greg Obrecht

 

[26.2]

PS I like @Greg Obrecht

I do too actually. I figured by this point he would have developed a thicker skin

 

[KitKatApples]

Needs more vitamin E?

 

[Debit One]

Defense was great with that unit though.

The defense with Murray, Murray, Ulis, Joe T, and anyone you want to insert with them is a joy to watch.

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

Says the guy with close to 300,000 internet posts.

If Greg would show some backbone and stop with the bi-monthly tearful goodbyes, or not announce that he's leaving and just log out for awhile, I wouldn't give him so much shit. And if he doesn't pay me come August of this year, it will only get worse.

Maybe you should block him. Tell us more about your experience with blocking people.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Says the guy with close to 300,000 internet posts.

If Greg would show some backbone and stop with the bi-monthly tearful goodbyes, or not announce that he's leaving and just log out for awhile, I wouldn't give him so much shit. And if he doesn't pay me come August of this year, it will only get worse.

well actually I only have 100,000 posts so there!!!

 

[Lee Beevers]

Great win, boyzz. Barring a huge meltdown Iowa is in the field this year which all of us would have taken to start the season.

 

[BigDaddy]

Zed Key fucking sucks. Also, what kind of name is Zed Key? Fuck that guy

 

[Bunk]

Zed' dead, baby. Zed's dead.

 

[WCFHawkeye]

The defense with Murray, Murray, Ulis, Joe T, and anyone you want to insert with them is a joy to watch.

I don't remember the lineup specifically, but the back-to-back shot-clock violations may have been my favorite part of the game. Made my dick hard.

 

[BBK]

I don't remember the lineup specifically, but the back-to-back shot-clock violations may have been my favorite part of the game. Made my dick hard.

Hi

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Great win, boyzz. Barring a huge meltdown Iowa is in the field this year which all of us would have taken to start the season.

7 of the last 9 years in the tourney, assuming you count the Covid year. Dr Tom never did that.

 

[6deuce]

7 of the last 9 years in the tourney, assuming you count the Covid year. Dr Tom never did that.

Didn’t Dr Tom go to the sweet 16 and elite 8? Fran has never done that.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Didn’t Dr Tom go to the sweet 16 and elite 8? Fran has never done that.

thanks. We weren’t sure.

 

[6deuce]

thanks. We weren’t sure.

You’re welcome.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

If Fran had inherited anything close to what Dr Tom did, he would probably be coaching at a bigger school.

 

[Lee Beevers]

If Fran had inherited anything close to what Dr Tom did, he would probably be coaching at a bigger school.

This cannot be understated. Fran probably inherited the worst or at least in the team photo for worst power 5 programs in the country.

 

[6deuce]

If Fran had inherited anything close to what Dr Tom did, he would probably be coaching at a bigger school.

Oh

 

[Deez]

Zed Key fucking sucks. Also, what kind of name is Zed Key? Fuck that guy

Zed

 

[Pedro Gomez]

This cannot be understated. Fran probably inherited the worst or at least in the team photo for worst power 5 programs in the country.

Great. He has been here for 12 years

 

[BBK]

I'm a Frantard.

Something the University media posts regularly on Twitter and Facebook nowadays is the best dunks of the night.

Can you imagine doing that with Todd's teams? I think Looby was the only guy who could dunk.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Great. He has been here for 12 years

and made the tournament 7 times

 

[J1973s]

This cannot be understated. Fran probably inherited the worst or at least in the team photo for worst power 5 programs in the country.

Would Devin Balwinkle have been in that photo?

 

[Geese]

Haven't beaten a team with a pulse all season but gonna give a ranked tOSU their first loss at home on a day and a half's rest including pretty long travel. Makes sense

Still laughing

 

[FatNTired]

I'm a Frantard.

Something the University media posts regularly on Twitter and Facebook nowadays is the best dunks of the night.

Can you imagine doing that with Todd's teams? I think Looby was the only guy who could dunk.

I had season tickets my freshman year (2008-09). My friends and I believed dunks only happened once a week at Carver, yet nightly at the field house.

 

[BBK]

I had season tickets my freshman year (2008-09). My friends and I believed dunks only happened once a week at Carver, yet nightly at the field house.

Howla's 2 on 2 teams dunked more

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Great. He has been here for 12 years

It’s relevant in the comparison of Fran and Dr. Tom’s accomplishments when two of Davis’ best seasons came with inherited rosters. That’s why it came up here.

 

[kenos]

the Fran -- Dr. Tom comparisons for tourney records need to start with 88-89. yes, that still had the great '84-'85 recruiting class, but that team was mostly Dr. Tom's guys.

and now, the recruiting rabbit hole (wasting 20 minutes going over old rosters):

Top 25:

Dr. Tom -- Thompson, Murray, Kingsbury.

Fran - none

Dr. Tom landed some big-time recruits, but none became dominant players at the college level. Maybe Thompson could have done that, but then again he didn't exactly set the world on fire at Oral Roberts after his transfer.

Top 50:

Dr. Tom -- Settles, Ed Jenkins (never made it to campus), Ricky Davis.

One legend, one flame out, one flake.

Fran:

Woody, Cook, Wieskamp

pretty hard to argue with this group.

Top 150:

Dr. Tom -- Cuthpert, Garner, Moses, Webb, Smith, Street, Helmers, Millard, Koch, Walker, Oliver, Range.

Ouch. Dr. Tom had an eye for kids who were either vastly overrated, had maxed out as high schoolers, or weren't capable of staying in school. He also found a gem in Street and got a solid pg in Oliver. Millard, Koch, and Moses were all equally capable and frustrating. Rankings also get fuzzy here because back in the day there was Street and Smith, Hoop Scoop, and Van Fucking Coleman. So, guys like Helmers got a top 100 rating from somebody, as did Walker. They'd probably be unranked today. Perhaps also Webb, who put up good numbers in California and has the Pac 10 on him, but was clearly a project.

Fran:

Oglesby, Gesell, Garza, Nunge, Connor, Patrick, Ulis, Sandfort

A flame out, a national player of the year, three capable but frustrating guys, and the jury is out on Patrick, Ulis, and Sandfort (although they all kind of look in the capable-but-frustrating category -- but, that's also where most top 150 kids end up: not studs, not stars, flashes of good play, and flashes of ugh).

Unranked (including walk ons who got scholarships):

Dr. Tom: Rodell Davis, Bartles, Lookingbill, Earl, Lusk, Winters, Barnes (juco), Tubbs, Skinner, Kent Mac, Skillet, Glasper, Robinson, Simmons (juco), Luehrsmann, Moore Bauer, Gomes (juco), Henderson, Jaacks (juco), Rod Thompson, Price.

Fran: Cartwright (juco), Basabe, McCabe, Stokes, Marble, White, Olaseni, Clemmons, Ingram, Myer, Jok, Ellingson, Dickerson (juco) Uhl, Moss, Hutton, Wagner, Fleming, bohannon, Pemsl, Kreiner, Dailey, Jones (juco), Fredrick, Toussaint, Murray, Murray, Ogundele, Perkins, Austin Fucking Ash.

Even with Fran's busts, this is where he has the clear edge -- finding and developing the unranked kids. This list is also longer because Fran doesn't hesitate to show some kids the door if it's clear that they can't do it on the floor. Both coaches found a lot of garbage at jucos -- with the exception of Jaacks.

Transfers:

Dr. Tom: Bullard, Ingram, Woolridge (Okey for what, about ten days before he broke his hand?)

Fran: Uthoff, Evelyn, Rebracca.

Yeah, the Tom group.


NBA:

Dr. Tom -- Bullard, Earl, Bowen, Davis, Koch (edit thanks @iowa4ever20 -- just drafted), Rucker, Oliver (edit -- forgot he played some)

Fran: Marble, Cook, Garza, Weiskamp, Uthoff (and soon, Murray).


Overall, it's close, but I'll take Fran's recruits. Dr. Tom could bring in some studs, whether as McD's AAs or as difference-making transfers, but his bread-and butter recruiting was, well, not great, Bob. His misses were big misses, and unless they flunked out or broke the law, he kept them on the roster. He also didn't do a lot of development in the 90s -- his rep as a developer really rests on Jepsen (Ravelling recruit) Earl, and Bowen, and where Fran has had some disasters, his rosters haven't been as thin as Tom's, and he's done a better job with development, turning White, Jok, and bohannon into all-conference players, Olaseni into Sixth Man of the Year, and Murray into a (soon) lottery pick.

 

[iowa4ever20]

I don’t think Koch ever played in a NBA game. If going to count him for being drafted, you need to count White for Fran.

 

[kenos]

I don’t think Koch ever played in a NBA game. If going to count him for being drafted, you need to count White for Fran.

Indeed. I didn't do the check on that one. He didn't get a cup of coffee, unlike Uthoff.

 

[Grandma]

Russ Mullard was drafted, Bowen played a decade in the league, and Dean Oliver played about 35 games in the NBA.

 

[The Dad]

Ryan Bowen?

 

[Grandma]

Bruce

 

[coff]

Remember when Pat got blocked and then fell to the floor in agonizing pain? Lol

Well, in fairness, he bumped heads with another player after the block.

 

[Hawkstrat]

This isn't a criticism of Davis or Fran, but probably should be noted that recruiting rankings have come a long ways since then, with multiple services and what not.

 

[DonJMiller]

I like Fran and love his offense. I think MikeySlow pointed it out a few weeks back, it seems he just refuses to address the things he / his teams suck at, year after year. If retards like us can see it, how doesn’t he or the staff? It is infuriating. I don’t think Fran deserves to be let go anytime soon but I also don’t think he should have been extended to eternity either. That’s on Garta. He’s a god damn retard.

 

[kenos]

This isn't a criticism of Davis or Fran, but probably should be noted that recruiting rankings have come a long ways since then, with multiple services and what not.

This - which makes Fran's ability to find good guys under the radar all the more remarkable.

Al Lorenzen was the #4 rated HS recruit in '84.

That says a lot about 80s and early-mid 90s rankings

 

[CurdMan]

I like Fran and love his offense. I think MikeySlow pointed it out a few weeks back, it seems he just refuses to address the things he / his teams suck at, year after year. If retards like us can see it, how doesn’t he or the staff? It is infuriating. I don’t think Fran deserves to be let go anytime soon but I also don’t think he should have been extended to eternity either. That’s on Garta. He’s a god damn retard.

Getting caught up on coach extensions is dumb. If Fran trips on his dick and somehow ends up in a position where he deserves to be fired, the university will be able to afford it.

Iowa has stability going for it in a lot of sports right now and that will continue to be a selling point in recruiting. You don’t let a guy’s contract fall to <4-5 years just to potentially save a couple million dollars when you’re swimming in big ten money.

 

[CurdMan]

Also, Barta might be an idiot but things could be a whole helluva lot worse. He clearly knows how to fundraise and has gotten some pretty significant things done in his time in Iowa City. Additionally, all of the sports anyone cares about are competing at high levels.

I know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on him constantly but there are very few athletic departments around the country performing as well as Iowa is right now and really over the past 7 years.

 

[Fletch]

the Fran -- Dr. Tom comparisons for tourney records need to start with 88-89. yes, that still had the great '84-'85 recruiting class, but that team was mostly Dr. Tom's guys.

and now, the recruiting rabbit hole (wasting 20 minutes going over old rosters):

Top 25:

Dr. Tom -- Thompson, Murray, Kingsbury.

Fran - none

Dr. Tom landed some big-time recruits, but none became dominant players at the college level. Maybe Thompson could have done that, but then again he didn't exactly set the world on fire at Oral Roberts after his transfer.

Top 50:

Dr. Tom -- Settles, Ed Jenkins (never made it to campus), Ricky Davis.

One legend, one flame out, one flake.

Fran:

Woody, Cook, Wieskamp

pretty hard to argue with this group.

Top 150:

Dr. Tom -- Cuthpert, Garner, Moses, Webb, Smith, Street, Helmers, Millard, Koch, Walker, Oliver, Range.

Ouch. Dr. Tom had an eye for kids who were either vastly overrated, had maxed out as high schoolers, or weren't capable of staying in school. He also found a gem in Street and got a solid pg in Oliver. Millard, Koch, and Moses were all equally capable and frustrating. Rankings also get fuzzy here because back in the day there was Street and Smith, Hoop Scoop, and Van Fucking Coleman. So, guys like Helmers got a top 100 rating from somebody, as did Walker. They'd probably be unranked today. Perhaps also Webb, who put up good numbers in California and has the Pac 10 on him, but was clearly a project.

Fran:

Oglesby, Gesell, Garza, Nunge, Connor, Patrick, Ulis, Sandfort

A flame out, a national player of the year, three capable but frustrating guys, and the jury is out on Patrick, Ulis, and Sandfort (although they all kind of look in the capable-but-frustrating category -- but, that's also where most top 150 kids end up: not studs, not stars, flashes of good play, and flashes of ugh).

Unranked (including walk ons who got scholarships):

Dr. Tom: Rodell Davis, Bartles, Lookingbill, Earl, Lusk, Winters, Barnes (juco), Tubbs, Skinner, Kent Mac, Skillet, Glasper, Robinson, Simmons (juco), Luehrsmann, Moore Bauer, Gomes (juco), Henderson, Jaacks (juco), Rod Thompson, Price.

Fran: Cartwright (juco), Basabe, McCabe, Stokes, Marble, White, Olaseni, Clemmons, Ingram, Myer, Jok, Ellingson, Dickerson (juco) Uhl, Moss, Hutton, Wagner, Fleming, bohannon, Pemsl, Kreiner, Dailey, Jones (juco), Fredrick, Toussaint, Murray, Murray, Ogundele, Perkins, Austin Fucking Ash.

Even with Fran's busts, this is where he has the clear edge -- finding and developing the unranked kids. This list is also longer because Fran doesn't hesitate to show some kids the door if it's clear that they can't do it on the floor. Both coaches found a lot of garbage at jucos -- with the exception of Jaacks.

Transfers:

Dr. Tom: Bullard, Ingram, Woolridge (Okey for what, about ten days before he broke his hand?)

Fran: Uthoff, Evelyn, Rebracca.

Yeah, the Tom group.


NBA:

Dr. Tom -- Bullard, Earl, Bowen, Davis, Koch (edit thanks @iowa4ever20 -- just drafted), Rucker, Oliver (edit -- forgot he played some)

Fran: Marble, Cook, Garza, Weiskamp, Uthoff (and soon, Murray).


Overall, it's close, but I'll take Fran's recruits. Dr. Tom could bring in some studs, whether as McD's AAs or as difference-making transfers, but his bread-and butter recruiting was, well, not great, Bob. His misses were big misses, and unless they flunked out or broke the law, he kept them on the roster. He also didn't do a lot of development in the 90s -- his rep as a developer really rests on Jepsen (Ravelling recruit) Earl, and Bowen, and where Fran has had some disasters, his rosters haven't been as thin as Tom's, and he's done a better job with development, turning White, Jok, and bohannon into all-conference players, Olaseni into Sixth Man of the Year, and Murray into a (soon) lottery pick.

This is a pretty fantastic summary.

 

[BBK]

This is a pretty fantastic summary.

He must REALLY not have shit to do.

 

[kenos]

He must REALLY not have shit to do.

A solid 30min of fuck all.

 

[BBK]

A solid 30min of fuck all.

Are you fucking newsy's alt?

 

[kenos]

Are you fucking newsy's alt?

I'm open to the idea. Is she hot, or at least enthusiastic and nasty?

 

[Fletch]

I'm open to the idea. Is she hot, or at least enthusiastic and nasty?

Not sure. But I heard she’s a smitten kitten.

 

[Stu Beagle]

I still remember fans and some media thinking 3 years was a short leash for Lick.
Anyway, Fran will never get fired unless we turn into Nebrantska. Not enough people give a shit about basketball to not live with our current results.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Connor's clutch 3 pointer with a couple of minutes left in the game sealed the victory. Ohio State was on a roll and only down by 6. If Connor had missed that shot, who knows what might've happened.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

That’s why they call him Connor McHugenuts.

 

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

the Fran -- Dr. Tom comparisons for tourney records need to start with 88-89. yes, that still had the great '84-'85 recruiting class, but that team was mostly Dr. Tom's guys.

and now, the recruiting rabbit hole (wasting 20 minutes going over old rosters):

Top 25:

Dr. Tom -- Thompson, Murray, Kingsbury.

Fran - none

Dr. Tom landed some big-time recruits, but none became dominant players at the college level. Maybe Thompson could have done that, but then again he didn't exactly set the world on fire at Oral Roberts after his transfer.

Top 50:

Dr. Tom -- Settles, Ed Jenkins (never made it to campus), Ricky Davis.

One legend, one flame out, one flake.

Fran:

Woody, Cook, Wieskamp

pretty hard to argue with this group.

Top 150:

Dr. Tom -- Cuthpert, Garner, Moses, Webb, Smith, Street, Helmers, Millard, Koch, Walker, Oliver, Range.

Ouch. Dr. Tom had an eye for kids who were either vastly overrated, had maxed out as high schoolers, or weren't capable of staying in school. He also found a gem in Street and got a solid pg in Oliver. Millard, Koch, and Moses were all equally capable and frustrating. Rankings also get fuzzy here because back in the day there was Street and Smith, Hoop Scoop, and Van Fucking Coleman. So, guys like Helmers got a top 100 rating from somebody, as did Walker. They'd probably be unranked today. Perhaps also Webb, who put up good numbers in California and has the Pac 10 on him, but was clearly a project.

Fran:

Oglesby, Gesell, Garza, Nunge, Connor, Patrick, Ulis, Sandfort

A flame out, a national player of the year, three capable but frustrating guys, and the jury is out on Patrick, Ulis, and Sandfort (although they all kind of look in the capable-but-frustrating category -- but, that's also where most top 150 kids end up: not studs, not stars, flashes of good play, and flashes of ugh).

Unranked (including walk ons who got scholarships):

Dr. Tom: Rodell Davis, Bartles, Lookingbill, Earl, Lusk, Winters, Barnes (juco), Tubbs, Skinner, Kent Mac, Skillet, Glasper, Robinson, Simmons (juco), Luehrsmann, Moore Bauer, Gomes (juco), Henderson, Jaacks (juco), Rod Thompson, Price.

Fran: Cartwright (juco), Basabe, McCabe, Stokes, Marble, White, Olaseni, Clemmons, Ingram, Myer, Jok, Ellingson, Dickerson (juco) Uhl, Moss, Hutton, Wagner, Fleming, bohannon, Pemsl, Kreiner, Dailey, Jones (juco), Fredrick, Toussaint, Murray, Murray, Ogundele, Perkins, Austin Fucking Ash.

Even with Fran's busts, this is where he has the clear edge -- finding and developing the unranked kids. This list is also longer because Fran doesn't hesitate to show some kids the door if it's clear that they can't do it on the floor. Both coaches found a lot of garbage at jucos -- with the exception of Jaacks.

Transfers:

Dr. Tom: Bullard, Ingram, Woolridge (Okey for what, about ten days before he broke his hand?)

Fran: Uthoff, Evelyn, Rebracca.

Yeah, the Tom group.


NBA:

Dr. Tom -- Bullard, Earl, Bowen, Davis, Koch (edit thanks @iowa4ever20 -- just drafted), Rucker, Oliver (edit -- forgot he played some)

Fran: Marble, Cook, Garza, Weiskamp, Uthoff (and soon, Murray).


Overall, it's close, but I'll take Fran's recruits. Dr. Tom could bring in some studs, whether as McD's AAs or as difference-making transfers, but his bread-and butter recruiting was, well, not great, Bob. His misses were big misses, and unless they flunked out or broke the law, he kept them on the roster. He also didn't do a lot of development in the 90s -- his rep as a developer really rests on Jepsen (Ravelling recruit) Earl, and Bowen, and where Fran has had some disasters, his rosters haven't been as thin as Tom's, and he's done a better job with development, turning White, Jok, and bohannon into all-conference players, Olaseni into Sixth Man of the Year, and Murray into a (soon) lottery pick.

Are you trying to rip Joey Range’s heart out? He was top 50 and in Dr Tom’s last class.

Also , my recollection is that Jeff Walker was top 50 ish. I saw him in PTL before he got kicked out for stealing that kid’s ATM card . Would have been an excellent player.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I like Fran and love his offense. I think MikeySlow pointed it out a few weeks back, it seems he just refuses to address the things he / his teams suck at, year after year. If retards like us can see it, how doesn’t he or the staff? It is infuriating. I don’t think Fran deserves to be let go anytime soon but I also don’t think he should have been extended to eternity either. That’s on Garta. He’s a god damn retard.

pitt was an idiot for not going all in on Fran